Ukraine urges countries to make ‚Z‘ symbol illegal

BBC:

Ukraine has called on countries to criminalise the use of the „Z“ symbol that shows support for the war.

Initially used to mark Russian tanks rolling into Ukraine, the letter Z – thought to stand for „za pobedu“ (for victory) – has been adopted by Russians to signal approval of the invasion.

Three German states – Berlin, Bavaria and Lower Saxony – have already said anyone brandishing the symbol to promote the war could be punished with up to three years in jail.

And Germany’s interior ministry has warned that those displaying the symbol to „endorse“ the invasion could be „liable to prosecution“.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dimitry Kuleba has called on other countries to follow Germany’s lead.

„‚Z‘ means Russian war crimes, bombed out cities, thousands of murdered Ukrainians,“ Kuleba tweeted. „Public support of this barbarism must be forbidden.“

The symbol has been daubed on a number of buildings in Germany, and has already been seen on T-shirts, flags and cars, according to the interior ministry.

Lithuania is among other countries considering a ban on the symbol. If approved there, offenders could face a fine of up to €500 (£423).

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Dmitry Peskov on PBS

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Everyone outside Russia has been watching hundreds and hundreds of hours

I have not been watching any hours, let alone hundreds and hundreds, as I tend to read, rather than watch much video. I do notice here, however, that as Ryan Chilcote says „targeting of civilian infra­structure“ we are shown a burned out armored car.

Die Zeit:

Und schließlich findet der Krieg in der Ukraine in den Öffentlichkeiten vieler Staaten schlicht nicht statt. Auch wenn der Krieg die Titelseiten praktisch aller Leitmedien in Europa und Nordamerika besetzt, ist er für die Gesellschaften in Südostasien, Südasien oder Lateinamerika ein fernes Ereignis mit primär ökonomischen Folgen – etwa für den Preis von Grundnahrungsmitteln. Darüber hinaus taugt Wladimir Putins Angriff kaum zur moralischen Entrüstung.

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I don’t care what he thinks.…He’s not affected by anybody else

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What was the second part? Interpreting the language that way (silly)

„The fact is that we’re in a situation where what complicates the situation at the moment is the escalatory efforts of Putin to continue and engage in carnage, the kind of behavior that that makes the whole world say, ‚My God, what is this man doing?‘ That’s what complicates things a great deal. And but I don’t think it complicates it at all.“

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Die Zeit:

Mehrere Bundesländer gehen gegen das Z-Symbol vor, das als Unterstützungs­zeichen der russischen Armee im Krieg in der Ukraine gilt. Niedersachsen, Bayern und Berlin ordneten an, dass die öffentliche Verwendung des Symbols in Deutschland etwa bei Demonstrationen strafbar ist. Nordrhein-Westfalen kündigte an, strafrechtliche Konsequenzen zu prüfen.

Grundlage für das Vorgehen der Länder ist Paragraf 140 Nummer zwei des Strafgesetzbuches. Demnach wird ein Verhalten unter Strafe gestellt, das als öffentlich zur Schau getragene Billigung von Angriffskriegen zu verstehen und geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören.

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The US understands the danger inherent in Mr Biden’s words

Anthony Zurcher, BBC:

Over the past week, US President Joe Biden has made a series of unscripted remarks that have upped the temperature of US-Russia relations to near boiling point.

However, his ad-libbed line at the end of what was billed as a „major speech“ in Poland on Saturday – seemingly calling for President Vladimir Putin to be removed from power – may have landed the hardest.

The speed with which the US issued its „clarification“ – later echoed by Mr Blinken – suggests the US understands the danger inherent in Mr Biden’s words.

Earlier in the day, the US president had called Mr Putin a „butcher“. Last week, he seemed to get ahead of his own administration’s diplomatic process by accusing the Russian leader of war crimes.

Idaho Republican Jim Risch, the senior Republican on the Senate foreign relations committee, called Mr Biden’s remarks a „horrendous gaffe“.

„My gosh, I wish they would keep him on script,“ he said. „Any time you say or even, as he did, suggest that the policy was regime change, it’s going to cause a huge problem. This administration has done everything they can to stop escalating.“

I can’t recall when I read language laying out more clearly the existence of the US president as marionette, spokesman for policymakers rather than orchestrator of policy. This was very obviously the case during the George W. Bush and Reagan administrations, but I don’t remember reading media reporting it so clearly.

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30-year-old punks who come from privileged backgrounds, claiming they’re experts in policy when they actually do not have the basic knowledge

Ted Postol:

My grave concern is I know some of these characters who worked for Obama, and who now work for Biden. And I’m sorry to say it—I know it will be considered arrogant to say this—but they are ignorant. Let me be very clear: this is not an accidental statement on my part. They are outright ignorant. And they’re a bunch of—you know, they trained at these elite schools; they don’t know anything, but they think they know things.

I have taught at Stanford; I have taught at MIT; I have taught at Princeton and at Harvard. So I know what a lot of these people are, because they are very privileged—this is of course a generalization; there are certainly some extremely intelligent and thoughtful people among these. But a great bulk of these people are just completely in love with themselves; they are convinced that they know a lot more than they do; they will not listen, they’re not interested in learning—I mean, you try to present facts to them, they sort of walk away from you laughing.

And they are not experts. And it’s not a problem—it’s no problem at all that they are not experts. The problem is that they’re not interested in learning. So, you know, I had this character, a guy named Colin Kahl, he’s the deputy assistant secretary now for policy at the Pentagon. He doesn’t know anything. He was at Stanford, they made him a co-director of the center there. Rude beyond belief. And you know, he tells me at one point, I’m trying to discuss something with him—discuss something—he turns around and he says, I’ve got a job, I’ve got a real job, I don’t have time for this. This is a guy who’s at the Department of Defense, top levels now, possibly advising Biden.

This is the danger. And if we look at the Obama administration, we saw similar dangers. There’s a very interesting Atlantic Monthly article written by a guy named Ben Rhodes. Rhodes was the national security advisor for communications in the White House, and he wrote a totally fraudulent, supposedly government intelligence report that was released to the public about the nerve agent attack that occurred in Damascus in August of 2013.

And it’s very interesting; I would suggest your readers go read that Atlantic Monthly article. Because in his attempt to show everybody what a smart guy he is, he’s revealing that his main objective with Obama, with the president, was to get him to make a decision which would have been a disaster for the United States, but he [Rhodes] didn’t know it. But to attack Syria, before the public outrage from the misinformation people had about that nerve agent attack died down. In other words, he didn’t want the public outrage to die down before he forced or tricked or got Obama to make a momentous decision that would have been a disaster for the United States. A total disaster. [Ironically, it was Russian President Putin who pulled Obama’s chestnuts out of that fire.]

So Rhodes is bragging about in this article about the role he played. That’s a real window that people ought to use to look into the mindset of an individual who basically, through privilege and accident [check out Collegiate School in Manhattan, where he spent his formative years], became a national security advisor with no real knowledge of what’s going on.

So we’re in a dangerous situation. We have a lot of—I’m sorry, because I’m so disturbed by this—we have a bunch of punks, you know, 30-year-old punks who come from privileged backgrounds, claiming they’re experts in policy when they actually do not have the basic knowledge. And they’re advising presidents. And this is not a good professional system. we need to do something about it.

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When being a bold renegade was a good thing

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Niedersachsen und Bayern wollen „Z“-Symbol verbieten

FAZ:

Niedersachsen und Bayern gehen gegen das „Z“-Symbol vor, das Zeichen der russischen Armee im Krieg gegen die Ukraine. Beide Bundesländer ordneten an, dass die öffentliche Verwendung des Symbols in Deutschland etwa bei Demonstrationen strafbar ist. Möglich sind bis zu drei Jahre Haft oder eine Geldstrafe.

Auch die nordrhein-westfälische Landesregierung prüft strafrechtliche Konsequenzen für das Verwenden des Z-Symbols in der Öffentlichkeit. „Der völkerrechtswidrige Angriffskrieg Russlands auf die Ukraine verursacht unsägliches Leid. Mir fehlt jedes Verständnis dafür, wie man sich mit diesen Verbrechen gemein machen oder sie gutheißen kann“, sagt NRW-Innenminister Herbert Reul (CDU) der Zeitung „Rheinische Post“. „Deshalb prüfen wir in Nordrhein-Westfalen alle Möglichkeiten, strafrechtlich gegen die Verwendung des Z-Symbols der russischen Armee vorzugehen.“

In Russland taucht der lateinische Buchstabe „Z“ vielerorts im öffentlichen Raum auf. Er ist als Symbol gut zu erkennen, da es ihn im kyrillischen Alphabet nicht gibt. Auch zahlreiche russische Militärfahrzeuge tragen das „Z“. Das „Z“ werde etwa auf Gebäuden, an Autos oder an der Kleidung gezeigt, um Zustimmung zum Krieg Russlands gegen die Ukraine zu zeigen, heißt es in einer Mitteilung des Innenministeriums in Hannover. Auch in Niedersachsen habe es schon „entsprechende Beobachtungen“ gegeben.

Der niedersächsische Innenminister Boris Pistorius (SPD) sagte, wer durch das „Z“-Symbol öffentlich Zustimmung zum Angriffskrieg von Russlands Staatschef Wladimir Putin gegen die Ukraine zum Ausdruck bringe, der müsse in Niedersachsen mit strafrechtlichen Konsequenzen rechnen. „Es ist mir absolut unverständlich, wie das stilisierte ,‘ sogar bei uns dafür genutzt werden kann, um diese Verbrechen gutzuheißen.“ Der bayerische Justizminister Georg Eisenreich (CSU) warnte: „Sympathisanten, die in Bayern das Kennzeichens ,Z‘ der russischen Streitkräfte öffentlich verwenden“, könnten sich wegen der Billigung von Straftaten strafbar machen.

I don’t know what to say anymore. Irony hardly seems possible.

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